this was artifice and fakery in the 90 minutes of debate and at his core mitt romney is dishonest. it got a new coming out of the campaign, that's the charge they're making, that he is not telling the truth in the attempts to get back at the central character question here, which is at the center of this debate. we know both candidates have said we're going to have to shrink government. there's a difference between the promises of what government makes and what people are willing to pay for and at the end of the day who is going to make that decision? the president is. and are you going to trust them. >> schieffer: am i the only one who knows who gantry is. >> that'sa bit of a stretch. elmer gant revis a creep. mitt romney is a very successful businessed man, has had a fine career, a fine family. look, both candidates, i think told things that stretched the truth. mitt romney with the preexisting conditions. remember barack obama said his independent advisory panel on medicare wasn't going to make any decisions on treatment. it has unilateral power, unless congress overrides it wit